The main catch phrase of anti-rape campaigns almost everywhere is "No Means No!". It's effective and certainly should ring true. When a woman says "no" a man should immediately back off. However, many men accused of date rape have spoken of mixed signals etc. While there is no excuse for rape whatsoever there are a few things women need to change.
Many women feel the need to be convinced before having sex with someone. The idea is often that if they say yes the first time, they'll be seen as a slut. So they say no and then expect the guy to try harder until she says yes. This sends the wrong and confusing message. Women need to understand that it's ok to say yes and be comfortable doing so. If a woman says no, she needs to mean no.
Now, there is certainly a difference between convincing a woman and raping her and to any sober and thinking man or women it should be clear but alcohol is often put into the mix. While it is not ok for a sober person to take advantage of someone who is drunk or drug someone, what about the situations where both people are equally drunk or high etc.?
If two people have had sex before where "No" has meant "Try harder" and they are both equally intoxicated than the lines get a little blurry.
I still find it hard to believe that tone etc. aren't clear in most date rape cases and that the guy is not perfectly sure that the woman is saying no but I am saying that women need to take as much responsibility in making sure "No" does mean "no." It's not slutty or shameful to say yes, so if you want to have sex, just say that. If both sides say what they mean than the line will remain clear.
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Personally I'm a bigger fan of "Yes Means Yes," which I take to mean that the ideal situation is always enthusiastic (or at least confident) consent.
Check out Mimi's blog for some more discussion on this http://sexedtransforms.blogspot.com/2010/03/lets-call-it-what-it-is.html
Ok, so I definitely agree that women should feel more comfortable saying "yes" when they mean yes and that it's fucked up that people are made to feel shameful about having sex even if they want to do it. But I really don't see how this relates to rape at all.
You say, "If two people have had sex before where 'No' has meant 'Try harder' and they are both equally intoxicated than the lines get a little blurry." I'm not trying to accuse you of victim blaming and I know you're not doing that, but I don't think this blurs the line any more than "she was wearing a short skirt" or "she decided to come to his room" or any other claim of victim blaming. Even if she had said "no" but meant "yes" in a pervious situation, and even if she had said "yes" in previous situations, that doesn't make the "no" she says in another instance any less of a "no."
I'm also not so sure that very many women do say no when they really just want to be convinced- just because a woman says no and then is later convinced and does something "consensually" doesn't mean that it wasn't something she wanted to do or that it was originally her intention to get someone to convince her. Even if someone is saying no because they are ashamed about having sex, that's still a perfectly valid reason for not doing it and that needs to be respected.
I agree that women have a responsibility to say what mean, but men have a responsibility to believe and respect what women say (as opposed to convincing, pressuring, interpreting, or assuming), even if her intentions are blurry or if she might mean something else. I think "the line" is most clear when someone says no, for ANY reason or with any intention, and the other person respects that at face value, no matter what.
i think it's important to recognize where this idea of saying "yes" means you're a slut comes from; patriarchy.
that's the real problem. women self regulating to meet patriarchal standards is to be expected so long as that standard exists.
so it's great to encourage women to say what they mean, but the real - and bigger problem - is women living in fear of being branded a slut.
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